Interview- Eve Lorgan & White Wolf Von Atzingen

February 28th, 2013 by

White Wolf Von Atzingen Interview

Posted on February 28, 2013 by eve

To read on Eve Lorgan’s website go to White Wolf’s Interview


White Wolf Von Atzingen is a survivor of a highly sophisticated, technologically advanced MK-Ultra Assassin training program that operated out of Fort Detrick, MD. This program was a compartmentalized department of the CIA named SOES, Shadow Operation Extermination Squad. White Wolf was literally kidnapped in broad daylight at 16 years of age by a team of thugs who worked for the SOES, and forced via mind control and torture to comply with training in this elite, assassin training program. How can this happen in the good ol’ USA?

According to White Wolf, these programs seek to recruit individuals who have the right combination of intelligence, genetics and spiritual “frequency” energies which will yield super human capabilities that they want to utilize for their own purposes. Our secret government–with its “off world alien help” has access to technologies that now can identify and pick out someone from the womb. This chosen person is then subjected to a number of physical and astral “abductions” whereby they are traumatised and programmed for later use in specific mind control programs.

One of White Wolf’s unique gifts which got the secret governments “attention” is his ability to shapeshift into a wolf. He has exceptional wilderness survival skills in tracking, hunting, camoflauge, combat, escape and evasion. He is also an exceptional martial artist. His abilities later were finely tuned while training with some of the most elite Navy SEALS over a ten year period after his initial recruitment.

As a young boy (before the kidnapping), White Wolf was mentored by an old Lenape Native American teacher called Meechgalanne, who taught him much about the natural and spiritual worlds. This native wisdom later helped White Wolf survive his torturous escape from this inhuman mind control assassin program. Most never escape alive.


1) I came across your interviews via Off Planet Radio and was very interested in hearing more about your personal experiences with “black op” training in your younger years. You say in your Shadow Scorpion memoir that you were literally kidnapped by shadow government people at 16 years old. What special or unique abilities did you have at that time in your life that may have been a reason for their interest in you?

First of all I would like to thank you Eve, for taking precious time out of your life to conduct this interview and continually supporting my work. Your efforts and offerings to today’s world are necessary and paramount.

First off, I want to share a little about my childhood, parents, where and how I was raised. I was born in an Army Hospital in Fort Dix, New Jersey.  My father was in the Air force and my mother lived just off base in a small little town located next to McGuire Air Force Base in the Pine Barrens. This area is notorious for having numerous underground bases where genetic experimentation has been going on for years, involving the secret government. After a few years of living in that area of New Jersey and after my father got out off the service, my parents decided to move to the mountains of Pennsylvania. So we moved west into the Appalachian range near the Blue Ridge in Pennsylvania.  This is pretty much where I was raised.  We lived quite away out in the country so it was a very rural setting.  We had very poor TV or Radio reception out there, so I wasn’t raised with a lot of technology. Being that this was the 1970’s and early 1980s, nobody had computers in their houses, we didn’t even have VCR’s back then and so on a good day we would get one station on the TV; an old black and white TV.  It was a really good atmosphere to spend a lot of time outdoors which I did. I was always comfortable in the outdoors and in the woodlands around my house I spent a great deal of time out there on my own. My Parents were quite comfortable with that. Since they knew I was comfortable out there and would always came home, they continued to let me have that freedom.  I had very few rules and regulations placed on me in childhood.

When I was 9 years old I met an old Native American man named Meechgalanne from the Lenape tribe who became my teacher for many years before he died. He had lived the old ways of his people, loosely speaking, his entire life. When I met him he was 86 years old and had traveled by foot the entire country of America for decades. He traveled up in thru Canada, into Alaska down thru Mexico into Central America. His main purpose and goal in life was to seek the truth of all belief systems. Basically he was looking for the underlying foundational truths in all cultures that he came into contact with, including their belief systems or religions, their spirituality and whatever it is they happened to have in their ways of life.  Meechgalanne spent his entire life in this pursuit. When I met him I began training with him in the ways of the wild, wilderness living skills, native spirituality as well as hand to hand combat skills. Meechgalanne’s father taught him an old warrior system which was a mix between an old Samurai system of Jujitsu and a 5 Animal Native American warrior fighting style. His father actually combined that to create Small Circles of 5 Animal’s Jujitsu.  Meechgalanne began teaching me this at a very young age. I trained with Meechgalanne for a decade and during that timeframe he taught me an absolutely incredible amount of information that I have taken into every facet of my life. Meechgalanne taught lessons in a multidimensional way; nothing he taught was flat line. The ways that he taught, me, the self healing ways, and the deep spirituality ways–they literally saved my life many years later.

Some of my earliest childhood memories were of scuffles with cousins, friends and whatnot. My parents told me later that there were signs of deep seated anger and sudden mood shifts and I was prone to fighting. In fact, by 15 years old I already had a black belt in martial arts and was working on my second in two different martial arts. I got into street fighting rings which were illegal of course. They had what they called the mini rings and they were geared towards teenagers, young teenagers. They were like human cockfighting rings. That’s really all they were. It was brutal, very dirty, very nasty energy. Money was bet on the fights and the winner took a percentage which was a small percentage compared to what the betters were taking. I fought on and off in these rings for probably about six years.

During my childhood between the ages of about 6 and 8, I had a lot of memories of being taken from my bedroom in the middle of the night. It was always during the summer when the windows were open. I have very vivid memories of basements, people dressed up in demonic masks. They were human of course, but at the time being a child, and having such an amazing amount of trauma and distress during that timeframe your mind plays tricks on you. And so with those demonic masks they were wearing in that frame of mind I literally thought they were some type of monsters, you know. But years later I realized that yes indeed they were definitely humans wearing masks. I’ve talked about this in great details on some radio shows, and on my website Ways Of The Wild Institute I went into some detail on my blog writing down these memories and stories.

I had become a black belt in martial arts while working along with the natural wilderness skills Meechgalanne taught me. By this time I had been training with Meechgalanne for 6 years. The secret government must have been watching me because it was at that time that I was abducted. Not by aliens or UFOs or anything like that. I was actually in Lancaster, Pennsylvania and was going down to pick up a part for my car.  This is where my story begins in my memoir, “Shadow Scorpion”. The part place was located in an industrial part of town. There was nothing really in that part of town besides loading docks and warehouse buildings and stuff.  Not many people were walking around, it was mainly a workers area, but I could get the part cheaper if I bought it directly from the warehouse versus going through an auto parts store. I didn’t have much money back then so that’s what I did.  So I drove down there one day and parked my car and started to walk down the street toward the building where I was going to pick up the car part. There was an old van there; you know it was one of those big vans with no back windows. When I walked past the van the sliding door opened, a number of men came out of the van and jumped me. I had been studying and fighting at that time for about six years and hadn’t been street fighting for that long but I had been training with Meechgalanne,  so I did my best to fight back, but it was absolutely useless. The skill level of these guys was far beyond my sixteen year old skill level. I felt a very sharp stab in my neck and that’s it, I don’t remember anything else until I woke up. When I woke up I found myself strapped to a table in a room. This is when my government involvement began.

I was in training out of a facility in Fort Detrick, Maryland which was a side facility for a branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. The division that operated out of that facility was called SOES (Shadow Operation Extermination Squad). I was brought into division 10. The absolute main baseline purpose of this facility was to train individuals to become assassins for the shadow government. I was in this facility on and off for three years.  During this time I endured an amazing amount of torture, trauma and very elite training that had a lot of foundations in the wildness skills and combat skills I was learning with Meechgalanne.  Between my background training, my mind patterns, my bloodline and my father’s kind of shallow, loose involvement with the Air force, I believe these were the main reasons I was selected for these programs. To be selected for these programs, you can’t sign up for them you know, well you can of course, but only people that they have targeted for many years are actually accepted into these programs and acceptance into these programs are based completely on the individuals mind patterns, their bloodlines, genetic lines as well as their natural talents and skills.

In the training facility I endured a lot of extreme trauma, mind control tactics, all kinds of experimentations. I later discovered anomalous objects that appeared in X-Rays that may be some kind of “implant”.

What we call in the government “training” is programming. And then after three years of being in this training facility I graduated and was put into live mission work. I was nineteen years old at the time and began traveling to different areas of the country. These travels were funded by the organization and I was being used as what they called a Homeland Assassin. Homeland Assassin means that I didn’t travel overseas.  My missions spanned from Canada to Central America.  I worked as a homeland Assassin for thirteen years plus the three years at the training facility so that’s a total of sixteen years of involvement.

To recap, yes, when I was 16 years old I was literally taken by the shadow government and more specifically the Central Intelligence Agency of the Untied States of America. In my book I have detailed a basic but solid layout of my past. You are correct in that such shadow programs seek individuals with special abilities that will fit their future uses within the programs. This not only saves on time in the training process but also allows the recruiters to hone in on specific “target” individuals more precisely geared to specific timeframes of their skills development. All individuals selected for such projects run by the shadow government are handpicked from the time they were infants. It all has to do with genetics, mental aptitude and skill sets.

By the time I was taken into the projects at 16 years old I had already been training under my teacher Meechgalanne (who in my book Shadow Scorpion I gave the name Windhawk) for 6 or 7 years. During this time I became highly proficient in many targeted skills. Specifically my skills set included wilderness and urban survival methods, tracking, stalking, evasion, traps and snares, hand to hand combat, martial arts and weapons training, energetically reading the land, animals and humans, traveling cross-country long distances on minimal food and water and with minimal supplies, communicating with animals through my mind and tapping into the non-physical aspects of my life (spiritual practices). I could also shapeshift at this time and had been since I was around 13, to my memory anyway. For 16 years of age these skills were quite high in quality and I have felt this was partly due to the extremely high level training supplied by Meechgalanne but also my natural born abilities that radiated around such skill sets and energies.

2) Did you ever wonder or discover later if your parents or any family members (Uncles, aunts, cousins, Grandparents, etc.) were involved in any secret societies, military industrial complex jobs, or alphabet soup agencies? (In any country)

I have wondered for many years and done my best to research such possibilities. It hasn’t been easy and what I have found is rather basic. My great grandfather on my father’s side was in the Army during World War 1, my grandfather on my father’s side was in the Army during World War 2 and my father was in the Air force during Vietnam. I never heard of any of them being involved with “secret societies” or agencies. My uncle on my mother’s side was in the Navy during Vietnam as well. He was the only one to my knowledge who came back completely changed from who he was.

3)  In Shadow Scorpion you mention the name of your program. What is the meaning of the program LIY-CONN/DELTA-A?

It is a genetic experimentation code under Ft Dix. Program Delta is a level of Monarch Programming. Pine Barrens is an Underground Base in the New Jersey area. Bio Weapons and chemical testing is done there.

4) Can you say a bit about how other mind control programs look like manifested in an individual with say, Alien Agenda, Genie, Green Star, Spook or Demon programming? Are these considered specific kinds of programming or general? You also mentioned having Dragonfly programming in your book. What does this mean? Do women have this programming too?

Dragonfly programming is shared equally among male and female, meaning the program is downloaded in both male and female individuals. It has nothing to do with assassination. It is an elevation of the Monarch program. It requires an energetic intensity that is rare. The Dragonfly Programming is a second level Monarch that is used in high level rituals. While the Monarch program is downloaded directly into the pineal gland the Dragonfly program is downloaded directly into the brain-stem which is reptilian in nature. The only level higher in male Monarch programs is the Scorpion Program of which I also have. The Monarch Scorpion program is almost completely male in programming usage. Hardly any females have this program and the very few that do are usually masculine natured lesbians. This scorpion program is different than the scorpion assassin program of SOES. They are two separate programs all together. (For more details on dragonfly see pages 392-393 in my book)

Monarch and female Monarch programs are vast mind control programs running today. The Monarch program is the base program first downloaded in one chosen for this specific programming. All Mind control programs are based on the 13×13 cube structure. Modern programming used to be primarily physical trauma based. But now, discovery of chemicals in foods, water, various electromagnetic fields, wireless and satellite beamed frequencies, chemtrails, is an insane way to keep the body under constant stress. It is essentially a chronic way of creating and sustaining sub level traumas. This is how they got away from the need to take people physically. The mind can be split in other ways.

Specific programming has everything to do with MK-ultra, Monarch or any kind of program where someone is specifically programmed. General programming is the educational system, medicine, entertainment, media and religion.

Genie programming, is derived from the Alladin story where the Genie, asks for 3 wishes. This kind of programming is downloaded into specific Monarchs, for purposes of an activation mode. Like the Monarch may have 3 specific gifts of the “Genie” that are used or utilized after being triggered. The Monarch program became fully activated in the late 60s early 70s, some were downloaded with a Genie subprogram. From a ritual sense, they are programmed with 3 unique qualities or abilities, geared toward specific gifts.

The Green Star programming has to do with the staged alien agenda, and off world contacts. Any type of alien agenda. The Green Star program is a multi- faceted one, where one facet promotes saviors from another star, another facet where all aliens are bad, or no aliens exist, everything about abduction. Good cop bad cop scenarios and has sublayers with New Age concepts.

In fact, the Roswell crash was staged. It was the actual staged incident that launched a global triggered awareness of UFO’s, alien abductions, etc. in the social milieu. Prior to this time, there were fewer reported UFOs and abductions. They skyrocked after the Roswell incident. It was I believe a major global triggering ritual. Greenstar programming.

 5) When did you start to discover you had been mind controlled, and how did your handlers and “agency” feel about your getting married while you still worked for them?

In 1995 I actually got married and this of course was not condoned by the agency I worked for. People in my line of work were not allowed to have affiliations like that, especially relationships. When they found out that I was going to be getting married, the head of training facility, basically the head instructor contacted me.  In my book Shadow Scorpion I gave him the name Blake.  He was usually in fairly close contact with me throughout the many years I worked for them. He would meet with me numerous times over the thirteen year period, but that particular time he met with me on the roof of a parking garage.  He told me, (and it was all a show although I didn’t realize it at the time), that the agency was not happy with my decision but because I had completed all of my missions in the past and I hadn’t let him personally down, that they were going to allow this marriage to happen. However, they were going to keep very close tabs on me and my future wife and they were going to cut all my funding. Basically a punishment thing. So I was still expected to complete missions but I had to use my own funding for the travel sources. Years later I realized and found out quite clearly that the reason they allowed me to get married had nothing to do with a forced decision that they came to but the simple fact that my wife also had her own programming issues.  Her programs actually helped to solidify and stabilize my programs.  She was actually being used as an anchor to keep me solidly anchored in the agency involvement that I was in and the program or mission work I was doing.

The bleed through memories started in 2003. Bleed throughs are memories from the sectioned off areas of your mind that begin to come through into your current daily life, into your current conscious state. They can come through in waking states as well while you’re sleeping. Reoccurring memories were coming to me with absolute perfect details and repeating in the absolute perfect way they came the first time over and over again. It wasn’t just like a dream, it was like a reality.  I could feel it on all levels of my being and I literally thought I was going crazy there for awhile.

Programs, when they are layered into the mind, take a great amount of energy from the body. Because the mind has to uphold divisions or walls in the mind to keep the programs isolated and so separated from the  conscious mind. This keeps the mind more easily controlled. When time goes on and especially in the line of work I was in, it was extremely stressful and traumatic. I have received an amazing amount of very violent injuries to my body and eventually these injuries build up, it takes dramatic amount energy to heal your body and mind. This leaves less energy for your mind to up hold the divisions and so bleed throughs happen.

Because I was having these bleed throughs, they were dramatically affecting my life. My wife is very, very intelligent and she began to see patterns. There were also a lot of things in my past that she saw in me and in my daily life that really couldn’t be explained with the knowledge banks that we had at the time. When these bleed throughs started to come through, she started to place two and two together. She started to see a picture, much deeper than I could see at the time. She told me to start writing everything down. I started a journal. I wrote everything down. I mean my journal was full; there were so many details in there.  Eventually I had enough social security numbers, addresses, phone numbers and names that I was in a position to start to look these up and started to start to cross checking them. When I was cross checking and trying to make contact anonymously I recognized voices.  I couldn’t tell the names or really understand where I recognized them from but I started to recognize voices on the other end of the phone and interestingly enough some of them recognized my voice and they knew who I was. They knew me by a variety of different names and as time went on I started to really put this web together.

In the winter of 2005 I began specialized acupuncture treatments to help me heal from all the trauma and blocked memories. I had periods of intense flooding of memories intermixed with amnesia. It was like I had never forgotten the memories in the first place. I realized who exactly I was and what I had been doing. I then began working on trying to navigate my way out.  But of course I still had missions to do still and was being given missions that I had to keep doing them with the full conscious awareness of what I was doing. And so this was a really, really rough time in my life.

There was an old man who worked deep in the agency who I had known since the training facility and if there was anyone I could trust in the training facility it was him.  In the book I dedicated an entire chapter to him and gave him the name Ammon.  He had worked almost his entire life, when I knew him he was working for the agency, had been working for different divisions of the agency, he was in his 80’s. He had been working in a number of different government agencies and begun working in them in his 20’s so literally his entire life. His specialty was bioengineering, genetic manipulation projects, biowarfare and engineering stuff. He was extremely bright and had a ton of contacts.  I made contact with him and we spoke for a while.  I actually met with him; he laid out amazing amounts of detail in a very short amount of time which helped to solidify a lot of things for me. He helped me to get into a position to get myself out, which I did by the early summer of 2005. And then the division SOES was actually being dissolved because they realized that it was too specialized. They were taking the trainings, the information, the entire structure and they were actually inserting it into a more general elite black ops assassination program. They figured it would be, I guess, more financially feasible to do this. I guess their technology and programs had advanced so that they were able to train a wider scope of people with abilities than when I went thru the training facility.

Then the head trainer Blake was moved into another department. During that time he began to skim funds from the department and he hired his own hit squad using underground rouge ex-assassins to come after me. For him it was more of a personal vendetta than anything. Because the agency itself I’m not sure, but I don’t think they had a hand in this hit. During that summer there were actually three attempted hits, obviously all of them failed because I’m still here but the last one came in October of 2005. This one almost succeeded, I lay the entire scenario out in great detail in my book Shadow Scorpion: Memoirs of an Assassin, so I’m not going to details here. But to make a long story short, I was poisoned during that attack and that poisoning put me down hard. I spent the entire winter healing, I was literally on my death bed for a lot of that winter and almost died a number of times.  So I was bedridden which was an extremely hard time. During that timeframe since I couldn’t do anything else I started to go within and tap into my childhood teaching from my teacher Meechgalanne. I started pulling out the healing techniques he taught me and started to utilize them. As the many long winter months went on high in the mountains I began to regain my strength.  By the time late spring came I was in a position to move.  And during that timeframe I was working with another Acupuncturist, someone who was absolutely exceptional.

6) Do you know the specific sounds, colors and symbols that were used to trigger you into your alter personalities? Are these similar triggers for others with other types of programming or only those with Dragonfly assassin etc.?

I would receive a Code on the phone (described in my book) code 725 Bravo– which triggered me into an altered state.  It could be repetitions or anything, a sound trigger or shown–they are layered. To be simplistic for example, a phone call, then a tone, then the tone creates a series of sub-images and color codes within the mind that unlocks the place in personalities. It could even be the TV, or an electrical outlet you sleep next to, via the wires in wall with piggybacked frequencies. Everything now is hooked up to the grid.

I had dozens and dozens of alpha level triggers and many more sub-level triggers that they could activate me with through all my senses- taste, sound, sight, touch and smell. It wasn’t just the phone–that was simply one for the example in my book.

7) What about any unusual UFO sightings, alien/ET encounters or vivid dreams of aliens BEFORE or during your training with this black op group? What about after?

I remember as a child always wanting to see a UFO but I have no recollection of ever sighting one. In Arkansas during the summer of 1999 I did see a fireball fly overhead in the night. It was about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle, but that was the only thing in the sky I ever saw that I couldn’t identify. I never had dreams before the training facility that involved “aliens” but I had many dreams with demons. These dreams occurred frequently for as long as I can remember, which is about 3 years of age. I seemed to always be “stalked” in my “dreams” by demons and demonic energies. They were always horrifying experiences that left me sweating and yelling in my bed. Of course these were dreams while others were not dreams but real experiences. I wrote this memory a couple years ago…

I awake in the dark of summer’s night

Sweat rolls down my face

Though it is cold and dank

Fear grips my heart like an iron trap

And shadows move in the dim grey light.

I am clothed but not in mine own

Cement walls tower around me like a prison

And I cower in the wet corner of this foreign space.

Where am I?

My last recall I was home in my bed

Safe in my room

Under cover and summer breeze whispering through screen.

Am I in a dream?

Have I died and gone to hell?

I hear something crawling, dragging in the dark

Feet and hands bound

Panic, on edge and frozen in time.

Vague memory flits through my head,

The sound of my window screen moving-

A sharp pain in my neck.

Movement now comes from different areas of the dark

I am not alone in hell.

Shuffling slips across dank cement

A sightless torment

Hair stands on my neck

Will I die from fear?

Contorted faces of demons approach

Closing in on me

Trapped in my corner I cannot escape.

Over and over they come,

Over and over they taunt

Till my young heart pounds like thunder.

Then the claws reveal

Tearing at my clothes that are not mine

Until I am naked.

Horrid sounds echo in my head

screeching metal

And poles strike me out of the shadows.

Screaming, panic, pain

My voice is not timid.

Calling for mother, for father

Save me from the wicked.

Their iron grips clamp down on my joints

Crushing pain racks my body.

Dragged across cement floor by my bound feet

Fighting to be free, to run.

Suspended in black air with dim grey light

Held up from my bonds by demon hands

Over inky black water.

Red gnarled faces peering up at me from this abyss

Ice runs through my veins

And paralysis takes me when I am released.

Falling into the ink

Held under forever.

Life slips from my body like ash into night’s sky.

Panic consumes all that I am.

Something slimy and long shares the abyss,

Moving, alive in this death.

My body twitches and I scream in silence

As the 7 years of my young life fade.

I become the dark, the inky blackness

Pain stops…

Then gasping in terror and agony

I am on the cement again.

Water pumped out my lungs

And demon face above me

Pale white with red eyes.

My savior?

Savior that has brought me back to hell.

Blood drips onto my face

From the smiling demon mouth.

Sharp stab in my neck…

I awake in a cold sweat in my bed

Warm summer breeze blowing through my screen

And the clock reads 4 in the morning.

My heart is cold and my hair wet,

Naked I quickly look for my pajamas

And find them neatly folded in my drawer.

My body hurts and my joints are stiff in pain.

Back in bed calling for mom,

It’s hard, my lungs are raspy

I cough as water comes out.

When she comes I cannot speak

Terror grips my voice as she comments on my sweaty hair,

But I’m not hot, I’m cold like ice

With the memory of hell branded in my mind.

I stare at the window while she hugs me

Wondering if they will come for me again.

Weeks pass and another summer night in my bed.

I awake to the white face staring down at me,

They have returned and my blood runs cold,

They have returned

The men in masks…

This is a memory that I wrote in more of a poem outline. It is a memory of one the many times I was taken out of my bedroom in the middle of the night by men in masks, brought into an underground facility and traumatized. These were not dreams but the energy of the experiences seemed to couple with the demonic energies of the “dreams”. After I left the training facility and began working as an assassin for the United States government I can recall many astral interactions that involved “other beings” that were not human in nature. After discussing such “dreams” with many people the general consensus was that those involved with these experiences were Sirians, Aldebarans, Mantis, Wasp and Ant creatures. My memories of these “dreams” are very vague and incomplete but always revolved around sorts of combat training and even rituals with astral involvements.

8) Are you aware of any unique medical issues with yourself or family? Such as allergies, extra vertebrae, ribs, Rh negative blood, extra digits or webbed fingers and toes? Or are you aware of any genetic manipulation, epi-genetic experimentation done with your mother while she was pregnant with you?

Unique is an interesting word when it comes to medical issues since the medical field is a practice and is constantly finding “new” oddities and “unique” aspects about the human body. My family through my mother’s side is riddled with allergy issues and I was no exception. When I was very young I found myself allergic to almost everything. I had asthma, severe reactions to extreme temperature shifts of hot and cold that would shut down my breathing and create full body hives. I was allergic to pollens, moulds, grasses, dust, dust mites, feathers, smoke and many foods. All dairy products were cut out of my diet because they would severely congest me. I was also allergic for a while to beef and pork as well as all preservatives. Certain basic medicines such as penicillin and aspirin I was also allergic to. Interestingly enough I “outgrew” almost all my allergies once I graduated the training facility. Today the allergy to mould remains but also I have always been allergic to silver. The more pure the silver and the more directly it comes in contact with my blood the higher and more severe the reaction.

My mother has many allergies to environmental conditions and chemical medications.

Scoliosis runs strong in both side of my family to the point of family members having to go through surgeries just to survive. I am unaware of any “extra” bones or internal anomalies in family members but that is not to say there are or are not any.

Genetic manipulation did occur through my mother to me when I was in the womb. These events mostly took place in ritualistic fashion in underground facilities connected to Fort Dix Army base in the Pine Barrens of New Jersey. The Pine Barrens are heavily laced with massive underground facilities that have major tunnel systems spreading from Maine to Virginia and out through Pennsylvania and into Ohio. A large amount of genetic experimentation projects do and have taken place in the underground of the Pine Barrens. The particular genetic project I was a part of was called LIY-CONN/DELTA-A. From my understanding the process took place over many years of my earlier life. I have been told it began with the tormenting of my developing mind and body in the womb with frequency and injections. To this day I have no idea what was in those injections. Supposedly this was one reason I was so ill as a child and had so many allergy issues. After I graduated the training facility in 1990, most of my allergies and physical issues were gone. Well, an interesting note on that was the fact that I was born with type A+ blood, but after I graduated the training facility I was tested and found to have type O+ blood. None of this was based upon one test, but rather numerous medical tests spanning many years.

Part of this genetic project was honing and developing my mind to retain its type A abilities while changing my body to become a type O system. The Type A mind is highly focused, detailed oriented, able to remember large amounts of information for years and is highly analytical in nature. The Type A mind can learn quickly by watching. The issue is that the Type A body cannot deal with stress well at all and tends to break down under stressful conditions. The Type A body is more frail and fits best with non-combative, nurturing activities. The Type O body is the opposite and lives for physical extremes and challenges. It is the Type O body that can take beating after beating and still get back up, remain strong and able to carry out whatever physical needs required of it. Interestingly enough the Type O body deals with stress by becoming aggressive and increasing strength and speed while the Type A personality deals with stress through avoidance. By combining the Type A mind with a Type O body creates the perfect individual make-up for black ops assassins and hunters. Highly detail oriented minds combined with highly powerful bodies that can keep on going no matter what.

9) What about genetic “frequency alteration”? What can you tell me about the wolf frequency and how you discovered you had an powerful connection with the wolf spirit?

The wolf frequency is the main frequency in which I ride through this life and it has been since birth. It runs so strong through my spirit, body and mind that I ride this frequency through many simultaneous lifelines. This just happens to be one of them. Ever since I was very young and could maintain conscious memory where I felt “wolf” and was fascinated with the wolf animal. I felt a connection, a “family” connection with the wolf species. Wolf energy filled my world and I had many things growing up with the image of the wolf upon it. My parents got a white Shephard dog when I was born. This dog was like the Cywnn Annwyn in Celtic lore with a pure white coat and pink tipped ears. He was my dog from the start and had a serious temper! There weren’t many people who we could trust around my dog because he was so protective and was known to attack viciously. Now I’m not saying he was wolf, I’m just stating his place in my life. Anyway, back to the wolf. The question isn’t when did I know my connection to the wolf but rather should be, did I ever feel like I wasn’t? The answer to that is No, I have always felt my connection to the wolf and this is because of a few reasons. The first of course is my wolf frequency connection that spans lifetimes. The next is the fact that I came into this life bearing a pure wolf frequency. Lastly, this connection has to do with genetic manipulation of the wolf frequency itself. This came into play within the LIY-CONN/DELTA-A genetic project. During my simultaneous lives in the later ages of Atlantis when genetic manipulation projects ran rampant, I was subject to those projects involving the genetic crossing of wolves and humans. This took such a deep hold because I already ran on wolf frequency, so that it remained strong through lifelines. Today in this lifeline it is no different. My handlers knew my genetics, mind patterns and frequency bearings and utilized this in the LIY-CONN/DELTA-A project. Utilizing frequency matching as well as physical alterations on a cellular level they were able to reconstruct my system to accommodate the werewolf shift. Moving on they were able to piggyback the altered wolf frequency (werewolf) onto the pure wolf frequency to attach programming and other control methods. It took me most of my life to find and figure out how to gain control of this by learning to tap into the pure wolf frequency at my core thus bypassing the werewolf frequency. I will answer more on this below.

10) Do you think that your Native American teacher Meechgalanne knew anything about your impending kidnapping and forceful black op training, or was possibly part of this program in any way?

Meechgalanne knew just about everything about me. He was an incredibly spiritually connected individual. Yes I do feel he knew I would be taken and would be forced into the training facility for highly imbalanced purposes. However, Meechgalanne was never one to interfere with the paths of others. Even if he was, I doubt he would have been able to change the course of my life. Instead he trained me with skills that have continually saved my life. Perhaps he knew they would be coming for me partly because of my skills and worked extra hard with me to hone those skills to high levels? Perhaps he knew that the very skills they would seek me out for would also save my life?

I do not feel or ever felt that he was part of the program or like I said, could have stopped anything that occurred. I do feel he did his best to prepare me for the path I was meant to walk in this life.

11) What about your parents, did they know about this secret training you were forced to participate in?

I have found embedded within their programming that some aspects of them understood at least part of it, but I have seen no conscious recollection or understanding of this hidden knowledge they bear inside. It’s a complicated mess.

12) Did any of the people in the “special training” whether they were handlers or other individuals being trained–did any of them seem familiar to you?

Only one- “Lilith” of which I will speak on in your next question…

13) You mentioned the woman named Lilith in your book. She seemed to be pretty evil by the descriptions of her behavior in your book. (Like that is an understatement right?) Did you discover any more about this woman’s origin, past or current activities?

Lilith is a “special” human who are utilized as “owners” of special projects. She is a Blue Blood and has a high level of old genetics in her bloodline that are prized by select areas of the shadow government, such as Illuminati families. I don’t recall seeing her shapeshift into a reptilian, but she could change her appearance to look quite young. He eyes could change color. At times I saw her eyes turn jet black. Yes she is evil and extremely dangerous. She was assigned to me when I was born. Supposedly a connection/bond was made between her and me when I was going through the early phases of genetic manipulations. I have no idea what her age was at that time.

I do know that her main position in life exists within special project areas inside the Central Intelligence Agency and is a main handler of genetic “projects” of which I am one. Her “job” is to monitor, manipulate and control individuals like me through frequency coding downloaded into our program matrix. She is one of the individuals who holds the specific codes to activate the werewolf frequency inside me.  I will get into more on this in your below questions.

Her original name symbolized the Queen of Babylon, Semiramus. She’s quite old. She was working for agency when I was born. Last time he saw her was in the late 90s she looked like she was in her mid 20s.

14) Did any of your handlers, programmers, trainers try to tell you that “you made an agreement” with them from before you were born in another incarnation? Or did they make statements of their ownership due to anything else like bloodline or Freemason heritage?

I was never told anything about agreements from other lives, but I was told that I was owned (like a slave) by the agency and by Lilith. Actually the agency told me that Lilith was my owner and the ownership was bonded at birth. This “ownership” seemed to have been based upon genetics and the projects rather than by bloodline or some heritage affiliations.

15)  Did your trainers ever say anything or reveal to you the nature of rituals or demonic control? Did they try to make you perform rituals or any kind of ritual sacrifice?

Yes this was another area in which Lilith was highly utilized in. I was utilized in many rituals of which began, to my memory, in the training facility. These rituals were sexual, sacrificial and demonic in nature. They were quite horrid. Everyone I can remember involved me with other women and female children. They all involved sexual acts and blood sacrifice of which I was being utilized as a tool or weapon. Lilith was always present and she was always controlling me through sounds, symbols and color codes. I remember many times the names of demons being invoked in the rituals by the surrounding individuals. The lead individuals were almost always wearing pure white and numbered at 6 and 13. I recall a 5 pointed star in almost all the rituals and it was always painted in dark red. Many, but not all of my memories within the rituals involved me having sex with the women or children and then being forced to shift into werewolf to make a kill afterwards. Like I said, these were horrible ritual events. I remember sometimes acts of torture and burning bodies as well. Yes I killed, drank blood and ate flesh in these rituals. The name Moloch and Baal came up in many of the rituals I was part of and I never remember another male participant in the ritual actions. Yes I do recall seeing men and woman in robes around the edges who were normally chanting in some language I could never understand, but I never saw another male out on the floor. I don’t much like talking about them and I find most cannot handle details, even those who have asked…

Occasionally Lilith was involved in the sexual acts but most of the time she was controlling events from the sides of the room. To her I am an abused pit-bull on a chain she holds. But her orders also come from higher places, from those who own and control her. She may be an evil piece but she is also just a playing piece.

Today the physical rituals for my part are long done, but she continues to gain access to me through dreams and astral gateways. She is still very much alive and still feels she owns me. We play a game. I block her for a while and she attempts to get through the blocks, which she has so far always managed to do with time. I have threatened to kill her some years back and since then she has never shown up physically, just in dreams and through the astral methods of which she is far superior in skill.

16) Can you say more about astral programming, and how they utilized this subtle frequency programming to aid you in your superhuman capabilities?

In the training facility I found out that the programmers do not just work through physical methods to break and program people. They also utilize frequency based technology to direct and download specific frequencies that contain information into the brain and body (organs, fascia, tendons, etc). This is quite simple today with the use of computer technology and satellites. They simply program the computer with a code that is then sent to satellites that are then directed as frequency downloads directly into the brain. But beyond the technological aspects of programming they also tap into astral energy to align the programee with such astral energies in order to train on the unseen levels. By aligning the brain and body with the astral realm  which is the realm of existence that exists between the physical reality and the spiritual reality- three layers of reality- physical- astral-spiritual) you can literally continue training 24/7. When they have you running drills in the training facility they also have part of your brain aligned with levels of the astral that they control for more subtle training experiences. Of course when I was in they utilized the use of frequencies emitted from speakers along with drugs they would place in the water. These combinations would make it easy to open select areas of the brain to astral training while the conscious aspects of the brain and body were fully engaged in the physical training at hand.

This would then roll into astral training while the left side of the brain and the body were sleeping. The left side of the brain is the logical side and must rest. The right side of the brain is non-physically oriented and never rests. This is why we are able to dream, because the right side of the brain does not shut off. So they trap the right side brain waves during sleep with specific frequencies which force it into the astral levels of reality for ongoing training. The body then follows the mind so whatever is learned through such methods of specific astral training gets physically logged into the body’s capabilities. Of course the IV’s they had in our arms when we slept to administer drugs and the frequency machines they had by our beds greatly enhanced the astral training and physical connection bridge.

The drug/frequency mix alters the central nervous system and the endocrine system, which then allows easy manipulative access to the brain and then the body. Drugs and alcohol also open the brain and body frequency waves to direct lower astral influences.

In time the body changes to accommodate this level training and then no longer requires the added chemicals and frequencies. It basically learns how to do it on its own through triggering. That way the training can continue after you leave the training facility through astral interactions. We were told that we had been prepped for this long before we ever set foot in the training facility. My feelings are they began to align us with this training method through direct, severe physical, emotional and mental trauma when we were children being taken from our beds in the middle of the night. Everything they did and do is well laid out and an ongoing process that starts from birth and just runs through preplanned phases. To the shadow government, off-world and interdimensional species this is all an exact science.

17) Can smoking pot marajuana be helpful in depgrogramming? What do you think?

If you’ve gone through specific programming before the 1980s, then drugs were probably involved. If drugs were involved physically, they were given to you to enhance a programmed aspect. Then they program in you to avoid certain foods or substances that will interfere with the specific drug frequency they programmed you with. Marajuana today is not same as old marajuana. It is genetically modified. I am not an advocate of drugs and alcohol. I avoided all drugs. Maybe it’s a part of my programming. Very little alcohol. I was told years later during healing, that the reason I had such an avoidance, was because it interferes with frequencies the alters are made up with.

18) Did you notice any unusual dreams after this training that indicated they were interfering or hacking into your consciousness to “influence and subliminally program you in any way?” (Aliens do this alot and many milabs report Virtual Reality experiences and “training” that take place in lucid dreamlike states.)

Yes this happened for many years. I would have highly realistic “dreams” that revolved around specific trainings in which my body and mind would learn so that during my waking hours I could easily perform the new tasks without ever having physically done them before. I have since learned how to block such trainings on non-physical levels.

19) How can you tell the difference between a low level dream “implant” and a dream from your “higher being, his higher consciousness”?

We can have two types of dreams: Manetuwak spirit dreams from higher consciousness. Or astral dreams. Astral dreams are manipulated dreams, they can be military, alien, government. Those kind come through the astral. These are dreams that can be hacked, lojacked. Can happen via Satellite technology. Manetuwak is a term taught to me by Meechgalanne, which means realm of pure Soul–higher self if you will. Pure spirit dreams, visions,  sometimes a replay of what you are experiencing in life, messages  of guidance, all come from higher aspect of self. They are all symbolic. Spiritual dreams are more uplifting and have a purpose that aligns with one’s higher purpose. Every night before bed I  align with my manetuwak for protection.

 20) What about shapeshifting–did you learn how to do this consciously or did this usually happen unconsciuosly. What were the triggers? 

There was a time where I could do this at will, shapeshift, but that was long ago when I was in my early teens. It was both conscious and unconscious at that time and I was never taught how, it’s just something that I could do.

21) Did Windhawk teach you how to shapeshift like some shamans can do? Usually it’s astral, but I have only heard of one case I know personally who was able to shapeshift into a dog with a group of shamans in India. It seemed to be both astral and physical, and occurred in an altered state.

No it wasn’t a taught thing, but rather an inherently known skill in me. I didn’t have to try. When it began when I was around 13, it was easy, it just happened. The actual shift wasn’t easy mind you, the shift is painful, but being able to was easy. These are physical shifts that also take place in the mind and emotions. The body shifts through a very painful physical change and the mind and emotions follow along. It’s all about matching frequency, which is all anything is, really. If you can match a frequency so perfectly, so completely you become something else. Of course genetic manipulation greatly assists this process of change and makes the shift easier to come by. If someone holds the specific frequency codes and activation triggers they can force you to shift at their will. I’ve been working for many years to identify the triggers to dissolve them in order to gain full control of this aspect of me. It’s not easy and the road is very slow. The triggers range from specific moon cycles/phases, dates, violent acts, smells, other peoples energies, etc, etc. The trick is that because to my handlers this is a weapon, a tool to them. But they took away my ability to consciously shift myself. They sealed off my access to the internal workings so that they could fully control every dynamic of my shifting. This is something I am still trying to get back.

Astral shifting is easy, as easy as eating pie. Nothing to it. Physical shifting is something completely different. I know there are those who can do what I can but I have yet to meet any and am told they are extremely rare to find these days.

This is also different than the all too common role-playing programming that runs rampant in the world today. This style program is downloaded into the mind and the individual thinks they are a vampire, werewolf, zombie of some other creature, but are actually not. It’s all a mind trip to trap the brain and person in a fantasy world which in turn keeps them from ever finding their true self and grasping their true purpose within this world. This is one reason there are so many movies out right now about such themes as werewolves, vampires, zombies and the like. The movies literally trigger those role-playing programs into activation in those who have that programming. You can see it all the time. It’s everywhere and yet how many reports of actual werewolf, zombie, and vampire sightings occur compared to the massive amounts of people claiming through the role-playing program to be one? It clearly does not add up… Not to mention the fact that these people are raving about being one of those creatures. They portray pride and an “I’m better than you” attitude surrounding this program. You can easily see that it is not real but rather an illusion feeding their egos. If they really knew what the reality was all about they would understand that it is no gift and the hyped up movies are all garbage.

22) Why do you think you were different than the rest of the “trainees/assassins”? In Shadow Scorpion, in one passage the handler says, “you are wild’ and unlike the rest of the ones in training there.

Different! Ha, I was just as mind controlled as everyone else there. But yes, I understand the question J Yes, in the beginning I was not as “controllable” as they would have liked because of my Native trainings through Meechgalanne. This kept me more in the right brain instead of the left brain. Programmers try to lock people in the left brain energy because the left brain is where programming takes full and complete hold. This is one reason many pre-technological cultures were not able to be programmed and fully mind controlled, because they spend most of their time in the right brain. So the shadow government targeted them for extermination through ongoing acts of genocide. “If you can’t control them, kill them.” But in time the training facility was able to break me into the left brain whenever they wished and then I was no different than other trainees.

If you get a computer right off the assembly line and you set it down there, or even when the things half way built it doesn’t do anything. You can’t type on it, there’s nothing there. So you have to program the computer before you can then use it. And so it’s the same thing, you have to program the mind with specific programs that you then intend to utilize later on. But the computer doesn’t use itself. It’s programmed and then you become its handler. You go in there and you handle it, you actually control it. You’re controlling its mind. The computers mind is its hard drive. If you erase its hard drive the computer is dead.  So the hard drive has to be programmed, that’s your brain. You as the handler, you would be a global handler and you come in and you use technology which is your keyboard or your touch screens to then go in and literally manipulate and mind control the programs that exist within that computer.

So if you put this into a brain context, and you have to ask where did the computers first come from? They come from studying the human brain. It’s a natural, biological computer. So if you put this into a human context the human brain has the right hemisphere, the left hemisphere and in the center the central endocrine gland, the pineal gland. This is the main endocrine gland which controls the hormones systems of the entire body. Your hormones dictate who you are, your actions, how you react and how you proactively respond to the stimuli of your life. You can see this very clearly in the medical field as people progress in life, their hormones change and they change. If their hormones begin producing too much of the wrong kind or not enough of the right kind they have emotional issues, they have trouble concentrating. Sometimes in extreme cases their personalities change, they become different people. They are physically capable of doing less activities, their body starts to break down and they begin to age. This is all due to the hormonal functions of the body or lack of hormonal functions of the body.  This is all controlled by the endocrine system and the pineal gland, which is part of it centered at the core of the brain.

The left aspect of the brain is a very logistical aspect of the brain. It needs to rest, it needs to sleep, it is the only part of your brain that sleeps. Because it’s all based and locked into a linear timeframe of logistics, statistics, numbers, and all this stuff. Time is located in the left side of the brain. The right side of the brain is the creative non physical aspect of the brain, more of an esoteric aspect of the brain. This is the aspect of the brain that does not sleep. This is why you dream. If your brain completely went to sleep you would never dream, it would be impossible to. The right side of the brain is responsible for the non physical aspects, the non logistical aspects; it controls your dream state which is why it never sleeps. The pineal gland balances both halves of the brain. To be able to control somebody’s mind you have to create an imbalance in it. One of the easiest and quickest ways to create imbalance in the brain is to create extreme trauma in someone’s life. In the past this extreme trauma usually came from pain. Forced drug use, torture of all different kinds, just horrific tortures.  In the old days when technology was very limited as to what we have today, during the times of MK Ultra and even into the mid to late 80’s, most programming began with physical trauma,  physical torture.  After the body has endured the torture, the mind, in order to survive, has to disassociate from the body. This aspect of the dissociation is a form of breaking. The mind is then, depending on the person and the aim of the programmers, can be shattered. When this happens it’s an energetic shattering so that the mind is not communicating with itself like it used to.  And then what can happen is through frequency waves walls, frequency walls can be placed between these separated parts of the brain isolating them from each other so they cannot come back to unification. Once this happens you can actually download with frequency specific programs into each segment of the brain. This is how programming works. And then from there triggers, these can be words, phrases, numbers, dates, colors, sounds, smells, you name it anything can be a trigger. Select triggers for that specific program are downloaded into that area of the mind as well. Therefore, when a handler wants to invoke that programmed aspect of that person and bring it into the conscious awareness, they activate the person via triggers to be manipulated to do various tasks. These triggers will then activate that program and bring it into the conscious state. But if these triggers are not utilized that aspect of the brain is still sleeping.  So it’s like again, the left side of the brain sleeping at night.  So this side of the brain is programmed such that if it’s not being utilized it is sleeping.

 23) I also remember how the trainer said one has to have a “perfect split/dissociation” and unaware host consciousness while an alter personality had been “injured” or performing some programmed activity. Then when your “core personality consciousness” switched back into the body, they would not return with the injuries(or memory) the alter had just sustained moments ago. Do you understand this and did this happen to you, where you were previously injured, but then “miraculously” healed when you returned to your “normal personality”?

Ahh a good question. Yes in a perfect alter split an injury can occur which is recognized by the alter mind only. When the individual is switched back into another level of their consciousness that section of their mind has no recollection of the injury and so the body does not register what the mind does not remember. We must remember that our body is a product of our mind. The body runs because the nerves run on electrical impulses in the brain, which tell the body what to do and feel. If you can block off areas of the mind and literally control it-tell it what is real and what is not, then you can also control the body. It’s all based upon the electricity of the nervous system. Control that and you control the body. Of course it has to be absolute control or it doesn’t work because the mind doesn’t believe you.

In the beginning this was difficult for me because my mind was not splitting as they wished it to. So if I received an injury part of the injury would remain when I was flipped back into a conscious awareness that didn’t, or wasn’t supposed to remember the event that caused the injury. However, like I said this was “fixed” and then injuries were not registering because the split had become fully conditioned.

As the years have gone by and I have reclaimed many areas of my mind I would have injuries show up that were locked inside that section of my mind. Of course because time does pass, all of the injuries had at least partially healed, if not completely. My wife saw many times, as we were sitting on a couch after I had done some deep merging work and literally watched a scar form on my body. Just like that and seemingly out of the blue–one second no mark or injury and then next moment there it was.

Another aspect was the fact that in the training facility we would sleep in the medical ward and they would work on us as we slept, or were rendered unconscious. That means that injuries obtained in the training facility were healed through technological methods as we “slept”. This is why we always awoke refreshed and ready to go after the most brutal training sessions. So the injuries and scars that showed up on my body over the years of self healing work were from mission work and not from the training facility.

24) Have you ever later met any individuals who were part of this training later in life? What about others who have had similar experiences but not in that particular program?

The only people I met from my division were the ones sent to kill me after I had broken out of mission work. The other was my nurse who in my book Shadow Scorpion I called Kira. I also explain in my book when, why and how this meeting occurred. She is the reason I have in my possession a few hard copies of my internal medical/training files.

Other than this I have only met two others who had come out of some covert program based upon black ops military or agency work. Both of them were from other countries though. The sad fact is that most of us who come from such programs do not survive the work or do not survive getting out. An internal CIA statistical fact is that only 1% of all trained assassins make it out and live. The rest either die in the line of duty, get killed trying to “get out” or end up committing suicide afterwards. Those of us who do get out and survive are always hunted and attacked from whatever angles are available. The ancient code of the shadow government since assassins were created is simple- “Assassinate the assassin”. We see this happen all the time in the news. The most recent was the shooting of Chris Kyle who was the author of the bestselling book called American Sniper. Attempts on my life have been happening since I got out. It’s a foul and dangerous game. The fact is that ex-assassins are never left alone. To the shadow government we are owned slaves who can never be free and never be trusted. To them we are red targets and they never turn a blind eye. They hunt always and so the few of us who get out must remain ever vigilant and do our deeper work so at least our minds can become free.

In the past they tried through physical methods but in recent years they lean heavily towards energy attacks. Most recently I was intentionally infected with a man-made virus that could not be “identified” through blood testing. I fought for months to get clear of that virus and it literally almost claimed my life a few times. This is unfortunate and serious business.

I have found high quality and highly skilled people who have become my “elite” support group and work with high level protection and healing with me. Nobody can do this alone and survive-nobody.

25)How did you start your healing process? What was the most important healing method, healer or anything you did that really helped you?

My healing process began when I was poisoned by the agency with a hybrid form of arsenic in Autumn of 2005. As I lay in bed that whole winter trying to survive I had nothing else to do but start to go within my mind. It was there that I began to find and rediscover the old spiritual and self-healing techniques that Meechgalanne taught me as a child. I started working with color and sound to heal my organs. I also began working with geometric shapes aligned with specific colors to protect and heal myself. It was during that winter I realigned myself with my Sacred Allies of the animal, plant, mineral kingdoms as well as element, direction and season. They assisted me greatly in my healing. This combined with the use of acupuncture, North American herbs, massage therapy, visceral manipulation work, Sacred Energy Movement, Cranial-Sacral work and my own in-depth studies on the healing methods of proper diet, supplements, lifestyle, meditation, Eagle Mind work and inner spiritual practices all greatly assisted me and continue to assist me along my ongoing self healing path.

The simplicity of it was rooted in my childhood teachings through Meechgalanne and the natural world around me. It was there that this energy flow within me began and it was there that I found myself returning when I was knocking on deaths door. These old ways literally saved my life. I simply combined acupuncture and all manner of other healing modalities with what I already knew.

Since that time I have come across many wonderful energy workers, healing intuitive and holistic healing practitioners that have assisted me in their own fashion. It was never just one thing or one modality. It has been a vast and complex combination of efforts and the healing continues and will always continue through my life. It works but that is because it has become a way of life. Much of what I speak of above I teach today through Ways Of The Wild Institute–as far as what I was taught by Meechgalanne and discovered through my own self healing path.

26) I noticed you used some symbols for protection over certain chakras. Where did these healing and protection symbols come from?

These symbols and colors came to me from Meechgalanne but I always found it fascinating that I also found some but not all of these symbols in the training facility lessons and through other healing, intuitive and energy workers around the world. To me this confirmed their authenticity and natural place in the world.

 27) What about the 11 Universal Principles that are mentioned in the Eagle Mind DVD set, where did you hear this from? (Usually we are only familiar with the Law Of Attraction, but apparently there are many more laws)

Meechgalanne always spoke of the Universal Laws. I have known them since I was a child. It has just been common knowledge in my life. Of course practicing them and embracing them is a constant challenge J

 28) What would you tell anyone who is in such a program or believes they were/are part of such a shadow government program if they are seeking healing and awareness?

In a nutshell:

1-begin researching

2-question everything!

3-get a support group

4-go slow and easy

5-start documenting in notebooks everything

6-cross-check everything you can

7-find healing modalities that work for you (not all of them will)

8- commit to a lifelong process and be 100% diligent and sincere about it

First of all, we have to understand that the people who are running this twisted show are programmed and mind controlled themselves. Like I said, there is a very, very small number of individual belonging to a very Elite Bloodline Family who run the entire world. Everybody else who works for them is controlled and it’s on a need to know basis. Which means big dog number one who sits in the Elite family isn’t controlling 10,000 people on this side of the world. No, they dictate a specific set of duties to this guy and then this guy spans out and dictates to a specific set of people and it continues to down in a chain of reaction. And so yes, everybody is under their own level of programming and control. A lot of these people who are working in deep levels of these agencies are not aware of what’s going on at higher levels.  They have no awareness whatsoever. Because inside, if you don’t have clearance to access these files then you are not going to even know they exist. This is why governments and militaries are structured as a need to know basis. And this is how they keep things flowing smoothly.

The human mind is only capable of so much. Sometimes it breaks. And when it breaks, a flood of information comes out and people start to question dramatically what the hell’s is going on. These are the people who start getting out. Those who are successful, like myself begin to spread the information, begin to tell their personal stories from their perspectives. And this is how the inside information has gotten out and spread around on a global scale. Yes, of course you have had people who have had absolutely no affiliation with these projects who are reposting and spreading this information, and even talking about this information on a global scale, but it’s the few who actually come out of these projects, who made it out of these projects like myself and began to talk about this stuff. This is where this information has originally come from. That doesn’t mean it’s our information and we’re privy to some kind of idol spotlight because we are not. But for us to understand how this information comes around we have to look at the structure.

People who are very deep inside under extremely heavy control structures where something happened, their programming falters, they realized what was going on and they had the strength, the resources and enough help to get out. But you can’t do this alone to get out. So people who look at this information that’s being spread all over and say, “where did this come from?.”  For example, I’m looking at this guy who’s telling me about this information and I went to college with the guy. He was never involved in anything and here he’s telling me about mind control and programming. Here’s another guy that I went to elementary school with and I’ve known him my entire life, you know we’ve been buddies and he’s never been involved in any of these projects and here he’s talking to me about Greenstar programming, Alien invasion scenario’s and stuff. Why should I believe this?   Because I know you through and through buddy and we’ve been together and you’ve never been a part of this stuff so what’s the deal?  Where is this information coming from?”  This is where this information comes from. And this is how we have to also be very careful going global from people who have not been in these programs, who have not been in these agencies because information gets twisted. It’s like playing that game when we were kids. You all sit in a circle and one person whispers something in another person’s ear and then they are supposed to whisper that in the person’s next to them continuing around the circle. Well, by the time it gets to the first person the message is usually completely different. It doesn’t even resemble what it started to be. So when you’re listening to information, when you’re reading information, when you’re viewing information question it’s source. Who is telling you it, where have they been? I tell information from my experiences and my perspective only. I cannot tell from another person’s experiences, their personal perspective. I have never lived their experiences; I have never lived their perspective. I only know mine; I know where I’ve been. I have got files from inside the agency, I’ve got photographs of implants inside my body, I’ve got scars from head to toe, I’ve got skills and knowledge that you cannot possibly gain from reading books on this subject. This is why I have an entire school, I teach this stuff.  Because I know what I’m talking about because I lived it.  So question the information you hear, even though you want to know the truth you’ve got to be careful where you are looking for it.  Now this comes back to your question that you just asked me.
A lot of people are scared and rightfully so because the big picture is not pretty, it is an ugly scene. However, if we don’t stand up and look at it we will never have a chance at changing it. A lot of people are scared simply because they understand that there are a lot of charlatans out there. There are a lot of people who purposely spread lies and disinformation. And a lot of people have been hurt by these people’s ways and methods. They have lost lots of money, they have lost face, they have lost family, they have lost a lot to these idiots that are out there who are spreading all these rumors and lies. So yes, you have got to be very careful where your getting your information from.  And so it is a very frightening world and so what I like to do, is show people that there still is a very beautiful side, a very pure side which is why I do a lot of my work with the wilderness, with nature, with the plants, with the animals, with the elements and directions and tap into the spirituality.

I have no religion; religion in itself is mind control because it dictates what you believe and how you follow along with the orders of religion itself. We have to all stand up to our fears. If I didn’t’ stand up to the fears that I’ve had I would never have attained the position in life that I have attained today. Because only through facing our fears can we overcome our fears and can we learn that within the fears there is actually deeper knowledge that shows us very clearly that there is really nothing to fear. It’s the illusions and the unknown that we, as a human species, fear more than anything. Once you get the knowledge and you learn how to use that you no longer have a fear of that because you gain a level of self-control. Not control over another, self-control. When you lose control it means that you don’t know. You don’t have an understanding, you don’t have the knowledge banks and therefore you’re easily manipulated and controlled. So yes, we all need to study but to study we need to first face our fears and accept that yes, the world is not as we might hope it to be, it is a control structure and there is a lot of hidden stuff. Anybody listens to this, reads this, who looks at this, reads this, listens to this and still wants to try and debunk it and say “well this is all just B.S.” Just look what is right under your nose. Look at the taxes you’re paying and try to trace it back to see who is getting that money? And how much of your taxes you’re getting back in way of public services? Very little. I don’t’ care where you live.    You look at the school systems, you look at what they are teaching the kids and how they are teaching the kids to think. Look at the technology and what it’s doing to people.  It’s creating people who have very little attention spans. They can’t focus on something for more than a few seconds without being distracted onto something else. And what are we doing? Oh that’s right, we’re creating technology to appease to younger and younger and younger age groups. You see two-year-olds in front of computers and video games and all these mind numbing technology screen pads; I-phone apparatus’ and all this other crazy stuff.  Removing people from thinking for themselves, removing people from a reality and moving them into a virtual world which is easy to control. Look at how much stuff is being put into foods on a global scale, we’re just poisoning people. This is medical and statistical fact that cannot be denied unless you simply want to look at yourself in the mirror and right out lie to yourself. This stuff is real.

When you go out and you eat McDonalds over and over and over and you sit down and you watch your computer screen for hours a day or you sit and watch your television for hours a day, you’re going to get fat, you’re going to get unhealthy, you’re going to feel terrible. And the people that do this, they know that and yet they continue to do this because they continue to lie to themselves. But you can’t lie to the world; you can only lie to yourselves. Everybody else sees it, they see you and they say “wow, I used to know you when you had a lot of energy and you were thin and active. Now look at you.  What happened?” And you can always trace it back to what they’ve been doing. They have been engaging in the non-beneficial, manipulative, ongoing, ever growing social control structure. The medical reports are out there, “Vaccinations are bad” and yet they continue to push them, push more and more vaccinations on young people. And what are what are they doing?  Well, these young people are getting all kinds of problems when they grow up and again medical facts; reports have been done and shown the connection between these vaccinations or chemicals in the water and all this other stuff. It’s out there. The reality, the truth is there. Anybody who doesn’t want to believe it, doesn’t want to see it is simply lying to themselves. They’re simply closing their eyes with shutters, and locking themselves in the closet and if that’s where they want to stay, then that’s their choice. They have to make their choice; they have to make their lives. Nobody can do it for them. And nobody should judge another that does nothing. It’s simply a waste of energy and time. All that we can do is hope that one day they will feel that pain enough inside them; they will feel that emptiness enough inside them that they will open the blinds and see what’s there and what they can do about it.

So yes, looking at reality is a scary thing but once you can get past it you embrace an amazing path of self transformation and self healing. And this is really what I did. I started to have the bleed troughs, I thought I was going crazy, I started to have the memories come back in, I started to cross check people and numbers, and I started to talk to people, they started to confirm information.  The pieces came together.  I started to do my healing work.  I started to put together huge pieces of the puzzle a lot of the missing links began to fill in. And I faced it, I didn’t stop, I was extremely persistent with it. But that’s just part of my personality, a fiery, go-getter. If I see something that is beneficial for me I will put all my energy into it. And this is what I did. It is not an easy path, it is a difficult path, it is painful, it is hard, it is emotionally wrenching but what else is there? Otherwise you have a numb, controlled state of life. Now what kind of life is that?

So, really this has been my path ever since I’ve gotten out of the government, and this will continue to be my path for the rest of my life and yes, I have attained a much better quality of life. I have faced myself, I continue to face myself and I do my work. And I try to attain a level of neutrality, non-judgmental. I try to attain a level of personal integrity and stick to it and not be swayed by everything else out there. I study what’s out there; I study what’s out there in order for it not to move me. I study the manipulation ways, I study what they’re doing and why they are doing it and what they hope to achieve by doing it.  I will continue to do my work.  And yes I have a really good life right now and I can’t complain about it at all. Yes, I’m still trying to physically heal; I go through great bouts of pain.  A lot of the time I still have a lot of emotional stresses that come up.  Many times controllers via satellites try to activate the implants in my body, of which some can be seen on my x-rays and this can create havoc with my endocrine system, my nervous system, and the flow of certain meridians in my body.  Still I have very non-beneficial astral interactions at night. I already mentioned Lilith, but she is not the only handler I have had or continues to try accessing me. So there are a lot of facets that I work though. I still have the unfortunate reality of my life that I go through psychic attacks, physical viral attacks, astral attacks; I haven’t had physical attacks sent my way for well over a year now. But there is always that possibility as well. I have to be extremely diligent with my protection work, with my energy protection, my training and work because I know where I come from, I know what I know and I know the people who know what I know and so I have to be very cautious at all times. I make sure that none of my decisions are rash. I make sure that I think through my decisions thoroughly. This is a way of life, it’s not paranoia it’s an absolute necessity.

29) How can therapists who work with such mind control survivors, protect themselves from any fallout and reprisals?

This is tricky because I have met zero mainstream therapists who have any clue about this reality that spans the globe. They are mind controlled themselves. However, the very few who are awake and trying to help people coming out of programs need to be extremely careful and the first step in being careful is to do the research! They need to be extra diligent in taking loads of time and energy into researching the facts about programming and mind control. No therapist can hope to do any good at all if they have no clue what is happening, where it comes from, how old it is, why it occurs, to whom, etc, etc. Research–and a ton of it–is the first essential step. The next is doing their own work because nobody is exempt from the control methods of the world right now–nobody and if you are not doing your own work you are part of the problem. After that process has begun and is well in the works, it is essential to learn energy protection techniques as well as physical self-defense methods to deal with potential activations of violent alters within clients.

Now beyond this, the question leads to fallout and reprisals from the organizations that are in control of these mind control projects. This is a different story altogether and much higher on the danger level. If you are working to help people get out of projects controlled by the shadow government you will automatically become a target. This is something any therapist has to come to terms with before they begin. It becomes essential to learn high level energy protection methods as well as working on their own mind patterns to remove victim energy that can draw attacks. There are many methods of energy protection, many, many that work to various degrees. The extent as to which level they work on through protection depends upon the quality of technique but also who the individual is trying to use it. Some low level targets can use an energy protection technique with great success but a high level target may have hit or miss success with the same technique. For example, the energy protection technique I presented on Off Planet Radio is a high level technique for energy protection. However, its high quality frequency works as a general level defense for general level attacks. That means it is not specialized to an individual or a target specific attack. Yes, it does work in certain circumstances, but it will need tweaking to accommodate specific level attacks for certain individuals. This is an important point to remember–people need to seek out qualified, energy protection practitioners to assist them in devising specialized techniques for protecting the self. I say this because you need to understand the origins of the attacks, the methods used, the angles employed, what weaknesses are being targeted and other key details to most successfully create a proper energy defense. You cannot just throw any old thing up and hope it works. People need to understand their own weaknesses before they start helping others with theirs.

It’s not an easy game and it has no cut and dry answers.

30) Do you believe in or use spirit releasement, soul retrieval or exorcism as a method to remove any demonic attachments or dark energies/entities?

The removal of demonic attachments is tricky. The one thing many people do not realize or understand is that if a demonic entity has attached itself to a person it means that on a spirit level that entity is part of the “whole” energy of that individual as they have come out of the “Great Spirit”. In other words, an entity cannot attach itself to a person that it does not share a frequency alignment with. Meechgalanne called this level of energy the Manetuwak. Today people call it the Oversoul, Complete Self, High Self, etc. This is the energy compilation of aligned frequency groups of creatures out of the source of life. Everything has a Manetuwak that it comes out of and returns to. We share our Manetuwak with countless other creatures. This means on all levels of existence mind you. So if someone has an attachment the first thing that needs to be done, or should be done is to see what non-beneficial mind patterns and programs are allowing the attachment. Attachments cannot occur unless somewhere in the mind of the host there is something allowing it.

Any techniques used in breaking the attachment must include the weeding out of this inner calling for the attachment and thus the frequency alignment with the attachment. Only from starting at the core level of internal work and attachment can the method for detachment be successful. Many forms of exorcism and other banishing rituals work from outside sources.

I find that working with the mind patterns (Eagle Mind) of the individual combined with energy work and higher work within the silver level of their Manetuwak with their expressed permission, has high level beneficial results.

I do not believe the soul can be broken and separated. Soul retrieval to my understanding, is a New Age Programming function. Your soul is your soul and can never be separate from you or broken and scattered about. Things can be attached to it, but the soul is always whole. It is only an illusion that the soul is broken.

32) Have you ever seen or had any encounters or abduction by any aliens, ETs or interdimensional entities after being in this black op program? Do you think there is any connection with some of these non human intelligent beings and the ones in control of the blackop programs you were involved in?

The only non-human beings that I ever saw or had encounters with were reptilians and very few at that. They were at times present in rituals, but beyond that and occasional interactions with them in the dreamstate, I have not had other encounters. I never experienced any abductions alien in nature and have never even seen a UFO. In the dreamstate I have encountered Reptilians, Sirians, Aldebarans and insect like creatures, but not in waking reality.

However, I do feel that many of the high level intelligence off-world and interdimensional beings work directly with the shadow government and control many factions of it. I feel there are many others who are much more aware and highly knowledgeable of such matters than I. I feel my knowledge of such areas is quite basic, even though many tell me they feel otherwise. Sorry I can’t elaborate more on this topic.

32) What do you think are the largest obstacles in the alternative healing community and media when it comes to the experiences and material you have shared?

The truth. Yes I would have to say the Truth above all else because within the acceptance of truth you must also face a pain that nobody wishes to see. It’s a pain knowing the world isn’t as we are led to believe and that our lives are not really ours. People want to believe they are free and that their lives and their minds are their own, controlled by nobody else. People want to look at what they have been taught and say that it is all true and that the modern civilization, the modern government, military, corporations, banks and so on are working in our best interest. People want to believe “Hell” is somewhere else and that the righteous always prevail and evil is always vanquished. But that isn’t exactly truth now is it? Accepting the Truth means that we must also accept that we all have a ton of self-healing work to do and that means facing the demons of the night and day. That means we can no longer turn a blind eye and pretend in fairytales. How many people are ready to step out of the false dream world of lala-land and into the truth of our reality here upon this earth?

Even for a therapist to face the client’s life and the deep issues of potential mind control, ritual abuse and so on, requires us to believe in the truth, which always leads us down the dark winding paths of the realities of this world.

The media and healing community responds to the truth with fear. This fear then manifests into ego and away the twisted line of disinformation runs- many times doing far more damage than not. Fame, money, glory, who said what “first”…ego, ego and more ego. This continues to perpetuate the left brain lock-in that I spoke of above.

It is brutal but it’s not hopeless. People want a level of security that they are in control of their own lives, they are in control of their own minds and that everything they do they have decided to do from their own free will. Unfortunately in today’s world this is not the case, not unless you are going through some really personal deep healing to get yourself out of the control system, which I teach people how to do. But if you’re not doing your work you are part of the control system. And if you are not doing your work you are feeding the system that is controlling and dominating every facet of the world.

More and more people that I have noticed are indeed beginning to wake up and realize these truths. A great many of them are beginning to do their self work which some call deprogramming work.This is a good thing. And even though if things are left to run as is and as has been, yes, the future is not pleasant to look at or to even think about. However, there are many organizations within the government and even within the elite agencies who have begun to turn against the global agendas, turn against the global handlers, turn against the Illuminati factions, turn against the shadow government and they are working against them in a very real way and they are making progress. You know it ebbs and flows. There’s a tide to it. Sometimes they seem to make great strides in their progress and sometimes it’s very minuscule comparatively speaking. But indeed these organizations are starting to come forward and starting to present information that was never meant to be presented by the government. They are coming forward and beginning to take out key players which are beginning to start disruption amongst the elite, which is a very promising thing. Also the fact that so many people are starting to wake up from this illusionary programmed dream that most of the masses have lived and their beginning to see the reality of this world. They are beginning to embrace their own healing work. This to me, this is hope; this is hope for the future. The more people that do this the better our future looks, the better our children’s future looks. But this pace needs to quicken. It is happening but it is rather slow comparatively speaking.

The Global Agendas have been set for a very long time.  Many of these global agendas that have been set for a very long time are very close to coming to conclusion however. I can say that some of these major global agendas that have been set for conclusion are way behind schedule. They were set for conclusion back around the turn of millennia, around 2000, 2003.  They still have not come to full fruition, they are still struggling to get those agendas out fully and implement them fully. So even though things are rolling in a very negative way and there’s a very heavy chunk of the future that definitely looks unpleasant, there is progress being made by a number of factions and great many individuals worldwide because they are doing their personal work.  Because they have stepped up to the plate said, “yes my life is not as I though it should be, yes I have been controlled and manipulated in my life, yes I understand that because I have weaknesses–as we all do–that have been exploited and used against us. Yes I understand I need to step up to the plate and take full responsibility for all of my actions, all of my thoughts, all of emotions, and in so doing, embrace my healing path and make changes that I see fit.”  Until everybody starts to do this the agendas will continue to move forward. But the more people who create organizations or come out of organizations and create sub organizations within the main hub organizations of the government to work against the agendas, until this happens, nothing will change. This is the hope that we have as a human species.

EL: I want to thank you White Wolf, for sharing so much about your own experiences and continued healing journey. I agree that we all need to take personal responsibility, to be humble enough to take these steps towards healing and personal growth. I am honored you are sharing such valuable information with me and others reading this interview.

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